http://forums.fasterskier.com/ FasterSkier Forums » Recent Posts en Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:40:33 +0000 http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/thermomolding-of-s-lab-boots#post-1702 Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:24:12 +0000 runcyclexcski 1702@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>The first genius idea (about the alpine shop), unlike the second idea, is quite relevant and helpful. Many thanks, will do. I bet I will stares from kids from the alpine shop ('dude, i did not know salomon made boots like these... what do you use them for?') </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/thermomolding-of-s-lab-boots#post-1701 Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:04:11 +0000 nordicguy 1701@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>I agree with nexer go to an alpine ship. Another genius idea is to just but a boot that fits and doesn't hurt. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/thermomolding-of-s-lab-boots#post-1700 Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:00:21 +0000 nexer 1700@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Take them to an alpine shop. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/thermomolding-of-s-lab-boots#post-1699 Wed, 08 Feb 2012 03:25:23 +0000 Andrew Lee 1699@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>I had the same problem with my black S-lab boots (both skate and classic, though the skate boots were worse) pressing on my navicular bones. I first tried pressing out the plastic with hundreds of pokes with a dull pointed awl/screwdriver, to bulge out the area around my navicular bones. I think that was enough to fix my classic boots. I ended up trimming away the offending plastic on my skate boots while trying to leave enough plastic to support the stress from the laces. I'm not surprised that other people are cutting holes in the plastic. It's an obvious solution... just do it. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/thermomolding-of-s-lab-boots#post-1698 Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:18:48 +0000 runcyclexcski 1698@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Skating boots, the navicular bone (AFAIK), both feet. Very loose straps. Putting on bandages etc does not help.</p> <p>I am very far from a walk-in Nordic Salomon dealer. If anyone knows how to thermoform, please share your wisdom.</p> <p>I also asked on a Russian forum (skisport.ru), and many people seem to deal with this by cutting holes in the plastic, so it's apparently not an unheard of issue. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/what-wax-iron-works-for-you#post-1697 Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:54:18 +0000 John Forrest Tomlinson 1697@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>I've got an economy Swix iron and also the Star iron. Waxing in a warm room, with warm skis, and medium or soft waxes both are fine. But for waxing fluoros or hard waxes or, or in cold places, the Star is much much better - faster and easier to control.</p> <p>In a couple weeks I'm travelling with a guy who has the Swix T71 World Cup Digital Wax Iron which looks even more amazing. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/does-anyone-have-snow#post-1696 Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:45:40 +0000 runcyclexcski 1696@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Skating was great at Lapland Lake, Northville NY the weekend of Feb 5. Thing but solid base, fast conditions. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/thermomolding-of-s-lab-boots#post-1695 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:54:28 +0000 tradesmith45 1695@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>It would be helpful if you could give more details about your problem for anyone to give useful advise. Are these classic or skate? Where are the blisters? Both feet? Same location on both feet? How is the fit to your foot - tight/loose? Are teh foot beds stock?</p> <p>Before any thermomolding, I'd suggest you take the boots to a knowledgeable ski shop. There are lots of adjustments you can make.</p> <p>I own an S-lab pro boot. On one foot, the white tongue always gets into the wrong location when I put it on. There are 3 layers to the tongue, the neoprene sock, the white plastic layer &amp; the lacing layer. For some reason, the white plastic gets caught in between the laces &amp; the lace layer so it can no longer slip inward as you tighten the laces. Didn't notice this for weeks &amp; was having a hot-spot issue I couldn't figure out.</p> <p>Now that I slip the white plastic layer into the right place &amp; adjusted the length of the heel hold tab, problem solved. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/thermomolding-of-s-lab-boots#post-1694 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:00:51 +0000 runcyclexcski 1694@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Got myself a new pair of white S-lab pros and having major problems with blisters and pressure caused by the plastic white tongue - to the point that I can't ski. Does anyone have experience with DIY thermomolding? I hear one can use a hair drier, but I am afraid to damage the boot (and my foot with it) </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/is-fibertex-still-part-of-glide-wax-process#post-1693 Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:56:38 +0000 campirecord 1693@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>The quality of the bases coming out of the molds and the grind quality of the manufacturer is such that 'hairies' in general is just not so present anymore, a good prep based is meant to be hard and flat and stay that way. Getting a new grind to repeat this process after a year or two is better than fibertex. I use fibertex on my kids rock skis, very old and dehydrated and sometimes also use on the the kick zone to smooth some undesirable abration. A very soft fibertex pass was also recommended on brand new skis after the first wax. Fibertex in all form is simply too abrassive per say. This sounds odd compared to a copper brush, but copper tips are actually rounded, they do not flattened and close a base but rather dig and pop out dirt and oxidization, much like it is better to rush your teeth that use an abrassive bad to get crap out...(sorry, only image I have in mind). In that sense fibertex is almost never used. I just finished prepping skis beside a National team tech this week, never saw a fibertex... saw a lot of rex blue klister binder though !</p> <p>I know a wintersteiger technician who, has last pass after final grind, uses a very sharp and flat metal scrapper, WITHOUT ANY PRESSURE what so ever, to do a final shave off the ski, he gets minimal dust off because Tazzari, WIntersteiger and Mantec machines are just amazing at polishing now and folks just keep a good base from there. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/atomic-skintec-reviews-demos/page/2#post-1692 Mon, 06 Feb 2012 09:34:14 +0000 E 1692@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Well I would love to argue all your points there Jon but lest we get off track... I honestly would like to try the skis in some different conditions in order to test the performance more thoroughly. My test before was hard pack, wet snow. I'll certainly let everyone know the results if I get another demo day. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/is-fibertex-still-part-of-glide-wax-process#post-1691 Mon, 06 Feb 2012 06:10:36 +0000 tradesmith45 1691@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Hey Jon,</p> <p>A respected service tech told me that use of fibertex dulls base structure making it less effective. This was in response to my question about the best way to remove base oxidation. I skied lots of Ks this spring on dirty abrasive snow. He recommended using a copper brush instead.</p> <p>Can't tell you if that's a change in fashion or real data.</p> <p>Of course this would only be important on a ski w/ significant structure. A cold base has little structure. And if you own a good base structure tool might be unimportant. </p> <p>As for removing hairs, a waxed base &amp; a sharp plastic scraper should do that ok. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/is-fibertex-still-part-of-glide-wax-process#post-1690 Sat, 04 Feb 2012 05:04:38 +0000 Jon44 1690@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>I'm trying to get comfortable with a glide wax routine and am curious that people don't seem to be emphasizing use of fibertex as much as in years past. I remember that fibertex used to be considered as last step in glide waxing (to "remove the hairies")--now it doesn't even appear in Swix's Racing manual (except for use in applying glide wax cleaner).</p> <p>Is my impression correct and if so, is this based on any new understanding or just change in fashion? </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/atomic-skintec-reviews-demos/page/2#post-1689 Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:32:41 +0000 Jon44 1689@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>@E: I think it pays to be careful in extrapolating from your one experience. Climbing skins (or even much short "kicker" skins) on AT skis, for example, don't behave in the way you describe. And Zero skis really serve a completely different purpose--they're specialized for a very narrow temperature range. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/atomic-skintec-reviews-demos#post-1688 Fri, 03 Feb 2012 07:34:27 +0000 E 1688@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>I think I tried some 205's. They were just a bit soft for me. The glide was pretty poor too, but I don't want to read into that too much because I know I was pushing them down more than I would with the ideal fit. I tried the skis with both plates and the issue was NOT that I couldn't get the ski down. The issue is that on a hill that requires any forceful striding, the hairs on the skins bend back and give out half way through the kick cycle. You feel like you have grip and then they completely fail. Maybe a lighter skier would be OK, which is why I referenced my weight. I am simply too strong on the kick at my size. These would be great no-hassle skis for touring but no way for racing. Also, the glide was bad enough that I suspect that they would be too slow to race on even if I had the right flex. Regarding the poor speed- I don't think a grind will help that much. It was clearly the skins dragging that made the skis which I tried slow. Fischer zeros are by far the best no-wax race ski I have tried, but have not skied the Rossi or Atomic zero. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/atomic-skintec-reviews-demos#post-1687 Fri, 03 Feb 2012 03:28:15 +0000 rbladel 1687@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>My teammate Mike Keenan says his have great kick, but are slow. He's thinking of having them stoneground. </p> <p>E is the first person I've heard who says the kick is poor. They do have a short "klisterish" kick area. E, did you try them with the full kick plate?</p> <p>I suspect correct fit is crucial.</p> <p>They do feel heavy.</p> <p>Randy </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/atomic-skintec-reviews-demos#post-1686 Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:51:20 +0000 tradesmith45 1686@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Good reports, keep'm coming.</p> <p>Anyone seen icing problems w/ these?</p> <p>Anyone used them in warm over cold or cold over warn snow?</p> <p>E, which ski length/flex were you on? </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/atomic-skintec-reviews-demos#post-1685 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 17:39:02 +0000 E 1685@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Also, I can tell you from personal experience that they do not work if you weigh over 170 lbs. The skins simply do not hold on anything more than a very gradual uphill. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/atomic-skintec-reviews-demos#post-1684 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:21:56 +0000 Jon44 1684@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Just went to a presentation from local Atomic rep, and, for those in the Northeast, there's a demo at Great Glenn on February 11, and another one is in process of being arranged at Weston Ski Track.</p> <p>Atomic rep Drew said he's tested the ski in all conditions and found the only time they don't work is fresh powder, out of the tracks on cordoroy groomed trail. Otherwise, he echo'd tclaynm's comments in that, for racing, they really shine in changeable conditions. Otherwise, they sound like a great no-fuss training ski.</p> <p>He also mentioned that the special polymer they use to achieve their claimed unique flex pattern (kick zone camber is supposed to stay stiff until a certain % body weight is applied, then collapses completely rather than progressively) is going to be used on Atomic World Cup's next season also. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/icy-conditions#post-1683 Wed, 01 Feb 2012 11:56:33 +0000 campirecord 1683@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>****It isn’t, for precisely the reasons that Bear posted...You can't edge, and your balance/posture on ice is completely different than on snow. If you think that skating precariously from flat ski to flat ski on ice is ‘good for technique’, then I hope your angels can fly as fast as you can ski because sooner or later, you’re going to need them.****</p> <p>ridiculous statement. Not that skiing on blue ice is recommended but if you think 'edging' is at the heart of a good technique, I disagree. If you cannot appreciate a skater who can balance flat on slippery conditions, you do not train enough.</p> <p>Yes it is just a question of having a stiffer ski, Many skis have soft crowns that make them very comfy on powder and warmer conditions, look for a stiffer ski that has narrower corwn that moves up and down the ski as you flex it as opposed to 'opening up' This makes the ski a bit more unstable but stiffer, they are usually pretty bad n soft conditions though. The reality is that you should be klister skiing on those conditions. A flat grind is optimal. I have two skate skis, one soft one hard. Rossis tend to be stiff and do well on hard. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/icy-conditions#post-1682 Wed, 01 Feb 2012 03:57:41 +0000 paldesgn 1682@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Yes, balance drills will most certainly help on hard track conditions. Equally helpful is a properly fitted, hard-track ski! A good nordic shop can help you with both the fit and brand. Keep in mind that this hard-track ski will be a dog in soft conditions but a stabile rocket on hard track. The more you ski the more you'll want acquire different skis for different track conditions. Enjoy! </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/start-new-skaters-with-v1-or-v2-alternate#post-1681 Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:31:32 +0000 T.Eastman 1681@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Build from the technique they seem to go to from their first few moments with poles.</p> <p>All techniques used in skating can be a starting point.</p> <p>A generalization is that alpine skiers seem to already do lots of alternate skate and even some V2, so start there.</p> <p>Occasional XC skiers will find the diagonal and V1 more similar to their skiing experiences.</p> <p>With snowshoers, have them hold biathlon targets... </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/how-to-help-skier-who-just-cant-get-hips-forward/page/2#post-1680 Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:58:17 +0000 tradesmith45 1680@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Jon, there are a couple disclosures I should add that might help you align your expectations.</p> <p>I've got 3rd yr &amp; 4th yr skiers who have been stuck technically for over a yr. that skate much like the skier in the SLU video - low hands &amp; too close together, incomplete vertical extension &amp; hips back. These are motivated, talented &amp; bright kids. One of them has great hips forward classic &amp; DP form. With time, she is finally starting to make a breakthrough. Another kids is still stuck after a couple years. I now wish I had attended to this much sooner. The trick of course is getting on these flaws early &amp; often w/o discouraging the skier.</p> <p>For reference, at most our kids get on skis or roller skis 40 times a year. They snow ski 3-days in a row only once a year. Progress is therefore slower.</p> <p>Sorry to be so long winded about this. Writing this response has helped me clarify my practice.</p> <p>Yes T.Eastman, schnapps or weed could help but w/ kids skiing at night would be a legal alternative -:) </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/how-to-help-skier-who-just-cant-get-hips-forward/page/2#post-1679 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:06:35 +0000 T.Eastman 1679@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Don't get into the trap of labeling a WC skier as having bad technique. In racing as in all forms of skiing, making the skis work in a manner which is comfortable and efficient is the goal. Any observer can see the differences of body position used by different skiers; a practiced observer can see the similarities.</p> <p>We may be doing a disservice to skiers by looking at form rather than how the ski behaves on the snow. Being able to adjust technique as conditions and energy levels change is an important skill for all skiers.</p> <p>Drills that challenge a skier to explore the variety of methods of propelling and gliding on skis help give the skier a set of tools to help learn more efficient skiing. There are dozens of good drills but finding the ones that will help a skier can take time. Sometimes some time away from drills and instruction with some fun skiing can help. Anxious type-A adults are often the most difficult to help. </p> <p>Perhaps the Austrian method can work...</p> <p>... schnapps! </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/start-new-skaters-with-v1-or-v2-alternate#post-1678 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:21:50 +0000 Train Wreck 1678@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Thanks for this thread. I've recently taught a few first-time skaters and thought "oh crap, I have no idea what to teach first!".</p> <p>I vaguely remember my first few times skating and it was like doing the impossible blindfolded. Shoot, I remember also thinking that a few years ago about some parts techniques! Much sympathy.. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/how-to-help-skier-who-just-cant-get-hips-forward/page/2#post-1677 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:12:54 +0000 tradesmith45 1677@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Ok, I've been assuming racing as a goal in my comments. Sea level should raise your hip position expectations during skating. It'll be easier to skate @ moderate to high pace which makes it easier to achieve good technique while skating.</p> <p>You've gotten lots of good suggestions - putting down a flat ski, crunching w/ the abs, good weight transfer etc. </p> <p>This still doesn't answer the question, what does good hip position mean/look like? Here's my expectations coaching in the real world:</p> <p>-during real racing, even the best skiers ALWAYS go in &amp; out of good hip position. Better skiers are able to keep hips high/forward more of the time. You can see this in the video of the USST interval session. Don't expect every stride to be great.<br /> -we've all seen races where a skier w/ really ugly technique beats better technical skiers. A bigger motor can offset poor technique. Justina Kowalczyk is a perfect example.<br /> -w/o going into details, it is still clear from race results that better technique really matters. Northug is both big motor &amp; great technique.<br /> -during classic &amp; V2, I want to see the hips at least over the feet when the feet are side-by-side as often as possible during pace skiing.<br /> -in classic, shin angle w/ the foot is a good indicator of hip position. When the skier swings out onto the glide ski, the shin angle should at least momentarily be less than 90 degrees especially going up hills.<br /> -during DP, I want to see the hips ahead of the feet, pinky fingers up to the eyes &amp; almost complete upper body extension just before the poles are planted. The best skaters can also achieve this during V2 but I'm happy if they get the hips over the feet when feet are together. </p> <p>The roller skier in the SLU video doesn't get his hands high, has incomplete vertical extension &amp; as a result "sits on his poles." I would be encouraging this skier to make some changes &amp; do lots of DPing.</p> <p>The sprint skier in the last video has great hand position &amp; vertical, get his hips only over the feet &amp; then sticks his butt out a bit as soon as the poles are planted - at least in this clip- so he too sits on his poles. I'd point out the flaw only if I saw this most of the time but be perfectly happy with this level of technical skill. I currently have a 1st year kid who half way through the season can already look like this for a few strides. She is a very talented kid.</p> <p>Last but not least, w/o question the skiers who have the hardest time achieving good hip/hand/body position either lack athletic talent or have been casual recreational skiers for some time before. I've got plenty of these too. If some of your adults are either of these, more time, patients &amp; a large variety of drills, visualizations &amp; video will be needed to get "there." Structured play such as jumping or tag can help these problems a little &amp; can keep up motivation for the skier who can become discouraged. But lots of time DPing with good form &amp; striding down slight hills are still the foundations I go back to.</p> <p>Your posting of this question says your motivation is high &amp; your skiers will greatly benefit from that. Best of luck! </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/how-to-help-skier-who-just-cant-get-hips-forward/page/2#post-1676 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:10:45 +0000 Train Wreck 1676@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>I recall that "getting the hips forward" being a totally mind-blowing concept as a beginner and intermediate skier. It seems very counter intuitive until after a few years you just sink into the feeling and don't feel like it's an issue any more. This only happens when they have a calm sense of balance at the innate level, thereby giving them the freedom to really toss their weight over the leading ski with confidence. There are already lots of approaches listed above, so the tip I'll add is a bit different.</p> <p>I think that it's important to switch between 1) lots of drills and technique exercises, and 2) simply slowing all the way down, relaxing, and thinking big picture. This is harder for younger skiers to do because they don't have much of a big picture, but working really hard on the goal of getting the hips forward can be counter-productive after a while if the problem lies deeper in the subtleties of their technique. </p> <p>Fortunately, if that's the case it's very simple to work on "the feeling" but it takes time.</p> <p>Get them on classic skis and have them drop their poles. The same concept works for skating but the subtleties of the kick zone are a great place to start for all techniques. First thing have them walk slowly enough so that they have perfect feeling of the kick zone, and are relaxed and enjoying it a little. The game face has no place here. This level is usually much slower than expected and this may even take a few weeks! When they find that bottom-speed - the lowest common denominator - have them increase it just a bit, until they seem to lose the feeling. Then don't let them try to go faster until they have mastered that one step above perfect feeling. Repeat ad nauseam, and their overall balance and confidence on will improve on each ski in ways that cannot be rationalized, other than calling it "the feeling".</p> <p>This approach is extremely simple and will work every time, but only if you follow it exactly. Usually the hardest part is the patience to take it seriously and learn to walk before you can run.</p> <p>- Patrick Stinson </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/how-to-help-skier-who-just-cant-get-hips-forward/page/2#post-1675 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 03:01:06 +0000 Jon44 1675@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>@tradesmith45: I'd say about half are interested in doing some racing at some point, and we're at sea level. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/how-to-help-skier-who-just-cant-get-hips-forward/page/2#post-1674 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:45:32 +0000 tradesmith45 1674@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Oh &amp; what altitude are your ski areas at? </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/how-to-help-skier-who-just-cant-get-hips-forward/page/2#post-1673 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:44:12 +0000 tradesmith45 1673@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Jon44,</p> <p>Is racing a goal for your skiers or is this mostly a form of recreation for them? </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/what-wax-iron-works-for-you#post-1672 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:27:25 +0000 edgarhee 1672@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Tognar Toolworks has a pretty good selection of waxing irons (Toko, Swix and no-name):<br /> <a href="http://www.tognar.com/waxing-irons/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tognar.com/waxing-irons/</a><br /> Tognar also carries 230v irons with Euro (round) pugs. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/how-to-help-skier-who-just-cant-get-hips-forward/page/2#post-1671 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:53:26 +0000 Cloxxki 1671@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>I am a skier like that.</p> <p>What seemed to, surprisingly, make a great difference for me, was when I had switched my running from the jog-typical heel strike to the atgletic fore/midfoot strike. I notice that standing on a level floor, I can bring my knees way further forward while keeping the heels planted. </p> <p>Range of directional movement on the ankle!</p> <p>If you can't bring your toes up, you're going to sit back when trying to stand more forward.</p> <p>In running, people then add heel insoles. In skiing, you're mount wedges the wrong way around under the bindings. Both are patches, not solutions. Get the ankles sorted, this requires longer calfs/achilles. </p> <p>Running with low heel offset shoes, midfoot strike, is a hugely efffective way to go about this. At least it workedd for me. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/how-to-help-skier-who-just-cant-get-hips-forward/page/2#post-1670 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:43:23 +0000 rweston 1670@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>Jon44</p> <p>Being adults, these people already have enough stresses in their lives so probably turn to cross country skiing to improve/maintain good health and fitness and improve their quality of life. Hence, have turned to you for help. Why should "we skiing adults" be treated any different than "skiing kids"? We all ski because it's fun! ! ! The challenge, the travel, the friends we make, the health gains, the life style, the excitement that comes with knowing we're going skiing.<br /> "It's all good." Thus, when we have a chance to help someone improve their technique at any age, we are under taking the challenge that may also help them improve all the other interacting aspects of this great sport if we succeed. It looks like you have been afforded great positive tips and videos/your orginal request to enable you to do that.<br /> Keeping it fun, positive and being sure to recognize and praise even the slightest gains in the "new direction" (position of hips)your asking the skier to take will be very rewarding for all. Be patient it won't happen over-nite. Keep a good eye on it and give lots of feedback to the individual as progress is made. Be careful not to "over do it" in the rush to help. One step at a time over time. Good luck.</p> <p>roger </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/how-to-help-skier-who-just-cant-get-hips-forward/page/2#post-1669 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:57:54 +0000 Jon44 1669@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>More great comments! [this thread is starting to feel like a good article]</p> <p>One additional issue is, I'm mostly working with adults. For them, if the goal becomes "develop general athletic ability," does that translate to "buy some books on functional training / take a pilates class and then come back." (?) </p> <p>I'm wondering what the right compromise is between lowering expectation/goals and providing people a constructive/productive experience. </p> http://forums.fasterskier.com/topic/overtraining-prevention-heart-rate-vs-stair-test#post-1668 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:02:38 +0000 Jon44 1668@http://forums.fasterskier.com/ <p>A recent article in Trax (Marty Hall?) mentioned using "Rusko's Test" for overtraining--it's something like measuring heart-rate over a number of minutes as you go from lying down to standing, etc.</p> <p>Just curious if anyone has experience using heart rate tests like this vs. old-school "Stairs Test" (how fatigued you feel walking up.) (And evidently, simple resting heart-rate is no longer considered accurate for overtraining)</p> <p>Thanks,</p> <p>Jon </p>