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1. lakesurfer52
   Member

   two brushes toko
   Nylon and brass.
   When should I use the brass brush before or after waxing.

   Posted 2 years ago #

2. prairiekid
   Member

   I would use the brass brush to clean out skis before waxing. Then after scraping you can use the brass first and follow up with the nylon or just use the nylon.

   Posted 2 years ago #

3. OldManWinter
   Member

   Since you asked...If I had brass and nylon Toko brushes, I would throw away the brass brush and replace it with a fine steel brush. My experiences with brass brushes are that they are almost completely useless. Excessively abrasive, they are best for structuring skis for warm, wet weather and slop. Don't believe me?...Use a brass brush with normal waxing pressure on a pair of naked rock skis and watch what it does to your bases. I never trusted mine cleaning anything but green waxes, and only then with really light pressure with the brush tilted at 45 degrees. Add a copper brush to your arsenal as well while you're at it (Toko makes a good one). The fine steel does real well with the violet and colder waxes; copper is excellent with the softer red/pink/yellow waxes. Keep the plastic brush around to sweep up the wax pollen from the metal brushes and to clean up your bench and fleece vest. I have become a huge fan of the fine steel brush this season to the extent that I have virtually retired my rotobrush...I find that brushing manually allows a better feel for what is going on, as there is a tendency to overdo it with a rotobrush.

   Posted 2 years ago #

4. Howdy
   Member

   I respectfully disagree with oldmanwinter.
   I think the toko brass is beaten in usefulness ONLY by the swix medium bronze.
   I've wax teched for college teams and currently work at a nordic center as the head service tech, while racing in elite races. I never have slow skis. In my opinion, he has it totally backward. After testing the new swix fine steel brush I find it to be exactly what he said about the brass: way to abrasive. There is no shine to the p-tex after it's used, and skis are slower. However, either the toko brass or swix bronze are amazing before any wax, and after CH7 or colder (Toko red or below). After using these brushes on colder wax, I always follow with a basic nylon brush, followed by a polishing brush if I have one around. On warmed waxes, I skip the metal and go straight to nylon, then to polish.

   Posted 2 years ago #

5. OldManWinter
   Member

   Howdy - No harm, no foul...we can disagree without being disagreeable. We're talking about angels dancing on pins, personal preference and an individual technician's touch. As head wax tech for a skiing and racing family of four and a newbie youth coach, I touch more skis in a week than most do in a season. I employ the SkiGo steel brush; I don't know how that compares to Swix's models, but having cleaned three pairs of Start Green skis less than an hour ago with it, I can tell you that I can pressure this brush as much as I wish without causing any unwanted structuring which I could never do with any other metal brush. I can tell that there are other differences in our philosophies: I have my own process for CH7 and colder, and it rarely involves any type of metal brush. Likewise, I find your choice of a nylon brush for warmer, tackier waxes surprising to say the least...These are the waxes that are the toughest to remove. In those instances, I do multiple passes with a copper brush, and can't recommend that tool highly enough...it is one of my favorites. If you haven't tried one, you should. I went for years waxing red/pink/yellow waxes with plastic and nylon brushes and I can state that nothing touches the final finish that copper delivers in those temperature ranges. Finally, draw whatever conclusions you will, but whenever I wax in a public venue I always draw a crowd, and it isn't just my team...I always have fast, if not the fastest, skis and my competition includes some very serious and capable masters skiers and skiing parents.

   Posted 2 years ago #

6. Banana
   Member

   I am perfectly happy using just a brass brush, and nothing else. I just scrape, brush, ski around a bit, then final brush. Seems to have been working well so far!

   Posted 1 year ago #

7. lsiebert
   Member

   1 brush- Toko Oval Copper brush, with a nylon outer ring. Works for everything that isn't a pure fluoro, but I don't own any of those so its all good. Thats also what my coach, a Toko Tech Team member, uses, more or less. I think he has a nylon brush for polishing as well.

   Posted 1 year ago #

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