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1. tradesmith45
   Member

   Hi,

   Have any of you tried using one of the new spray-on grip waxes over a klister to prevent icing? Also what's been your experience w/ spray-on green binder?

   I've found that all the Swix purple klisters (KR35, KR40, KR50 & K21n) are pretty likely to ice or just be grabby. On race day w/ a large group of racers, there is often too little time to cool & then cork in a hard wax over the klister. KR60 seems to ice less?? but if it does, its a bit soft to hard wax over.

   Most young racers will snow plow lots & quickly shear off their klister if no binder has been used.

   Looking for solutions & hoping you can help.

   Thanks

   Posted 1 year ago #

2. rbladel
   Member

   I've used the Toko green spray klister as a binder. Goes on so nice and even, but I was told that if you want it to last as well as the klister in a tube, you have to iron it in.

   Randy

   Posted 1 year ago #

3. JHettenbaugh
   Member

   I have used the Toko Green Spray on Klister most recently at U.S Nationals in Rumford. The first day I used it was because we traveled to Great Glenn to ski and due to the lack of snow it was supper icy. I knew hard wax would not last so I used the Spray on klister as a base for the hard wax and was impressed on it's versatility even in the icy conditions, it also did not take very long to set up and withstand a hard wax cover. No matter what combination you use "snowplowing" is going to have a negative effect on the longevity of the wax. For a time saving and ease of use you cant beat the spray on klister and for most race distances especially at the junior level will hold up without ironing it in.

   Posted 1 year ago #

4. edgarhee
   Member

   Q re spray on klister. What do you do about spraying klister into the groove? It may be less of a concern for plus temps, but it seems that klister in the groove is a potential icing area that can't be cleared by sliding.

   Posted 1 year ago #

5. lsiebert
   Member

   The way I generally use the spray klister is to spray a strip down each side of the groove and smooth them individually. This keeps the spray from getting in the groove. Like JHettenbaugh, I have found that Toko spray green binder works exceptionally well as a binder for both klisters and hardwaxes. In the Craftsbury Marathon last year, I had spray green binder covered with hardwax, and it lasted quite well throughout the 50k.

   Posted 1 year ago #

6. tradesmith45
   Member

   The comments so far are a good start, thanks.

   We're having rain or spring temps so have been on red klister & haven't had a chance to test purple brews.

   I can report on some experience. I too have found Toko green spray works well. In the relatively short tests I've done (<15k) it holds up as well as iron on. I agree you can produce a nice thin binder layer w/ the spray & spreading w/ your thumb before it dries. Far easier & faster than tube or stick binder.

   I also got the Swix klister binder spray. The applicator is different & maybe better. The Toko is made to be used w/ a vertical ski & spray can. The Swix can is held upside down w/ a horizontal ski. It was easier to get a really thin layer w/ the Swix.

   I've also tried the Swix Red & Toko Silver spray klisters. Both tended to ice a bit in loose wet snow (temp. 33.5F) & didn't kick all that well. Both are non-fluro. But I didn't have a groomed track to test them in either - trail had only been groomed for skating. The Swix Red applicator is a ~50mm wide fiber pad w/ an aerosol release you press to the base of the ski like shoe polish. It was very easy to apply far too much kister. And it seems likely rubbing w/ the fiber pad will mix the Red spray klister w/ whatever is already on the ski base. None of the other Swix sprays I've seen use this applicator. The Toko spray worked much better.

   I was told by a wax tech that overspray is a problem in windy conditions. He tapes the glide zones or uses cardboard w/ a slot in it. A coach I know said they had found the warm spray on klisters wear off in a couple K if applied over a hard wax. A binder is essential it appears.

   Instructions for most of these say they should be used at "room temperatures" & I don't know what happens when applied at really cold temps. Also don't know how many applications you can get from a bottle. Any of you have experience to report?

   Still hoping someone out there has tried using a hard wax spray over a klister to prevent icing???

   Posted 1 year ago #

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