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  1. davidf2d
    Member

    This is the reply I got regarding the Pilot Classic binding problem. My eventual solution was to go NNN. I suspect it's definitely one of those "works for those with lots of maintenance available" type of products.

    The high end Salomon boots are made on a very narrow last. You have to have quite narrow feet to fit into them properly. That was the second reason for switching to NNN. Alpina and Rossignol fit wider. It may not make a difference in this situation but if your feet are being pinched in while constantly flexing, who knows what nerves are being rubbed?

    Classic Pilot Binding Tune Up

    Over the past few years, Team Salomon skiers have been using the Salomon Classic Pilot binding in almost all of its races in Canada and the US, and have encountered various snow conditions. Typically, the binding seems to 'release' at the second attachment point when fresh or dry blowing snow fills in the track. The best way to get the most performance out of your Salomon Pilot Classic binding in this case is to follow these steps prior to skiing - In most cases, this solution seemed to resolve the issue.

    1. Set your spring tension to '3' or higher
    2. Use a silicon based spray - bought at any local hardware store - and spray the white plastic component and 'tongue' at the second attachment point. Pull the tongue out with your fingers and spray generous amounts of silicone on both sides of the fabric as well as inside the binding's interior. For best results, do this process indoors, while the ski is dry or free of snow. NOTE: Binding performance will be affected if this procedure is done with there is snow already on the binding.
    3. Repeat the process a second time to ensure that the second attachment point is well covered with silicone.
    4. Prior to getting on snow, ensure that your ski boot sole AND binding is completely clear of snow.
    5. Go out and enjoy all the benefits of the Pilot system!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. skier1
    Member

    Take these boots to the podiatrist who did your orthotics and ask about them. I did that after a similar problem, and the podiatrist nixed the boots and the binding system as inherently bad for feet. I switched to a different, simpler boot by a different company and my feet and legs are now fine. I am of the belief that most or all of the "new technology" in boots is gimmicks not improvements. I think Fishcer and Madshus low end combi boots are decent. Otherwise, you need to search the used equipment stores and swaps for stuff that is more than 5 years old, to find anything that is OK to wear. None of the Salomon Carbons are any good- choose an earlier Salomon than any of the Carbons, or a different brand, preferably with NNN bindings.

    It is not about the equipment being specialized for racers. The boot design flaws are bad for racers too.

    I wonder about the explosion of bad-for-feet boot gimmicks and the rising incidence of compartment syndrome...with one skier I know, I am sure they are related.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. lsiebert
    Member

    I've been using Salomon boots/bindings for years now, and the only problems I've had is some mild cramping in my foot when I skate for the first time in a while, which resolves itself pretty readily, and my shins get a little sore when skating in really icy or really slushy conditions, but thats pretty common, as far as I can tell.

    Oh yeah, and I could really use a pair of those Boot Buddies that Laura Valaas is selling. I hate chipping ice out of my boots.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. firesnow
    Member

    I'm a little behind the curve on this one, but here's my two cents worth.
    These bindings are terrible in new and blowing snow. Any loose snow on the track will clog up the binding and these will pop out of the second axis every time. Guaranteed. Without fail.
    I've tried the silicone, the correct tension and even the plastic add-on after-the-fact thingy from Salomon and none of it works. I've even been told I am putting these on incorrectly.
    I do not think the folks at Salomon thought these through all the way. Surely at some point someone must have had these things clog. So go out and enjoy your bindings from Salomon, just do not use them in fresh or blowing snow conditions.
    The folks who suggested the old pilots with the bumpers are correct.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. SickterScale
    Member

    Salomon has abandoned the kevlar strap classic pilot binding, their new propulse classic bindings which the olympians used, have (get this) a one bar connection and a bumper. A couple pics

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Me24If-e8DU/S3pBZ4sHPGI/AAAAAAAAAHo/2eyig9MsqNU/s400/IMG_0691.JPG

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Me24If-e8DU/S3ZVGK99xhI/AAAAAAAAAGQ/AC8gJeJ4BcI/s400/SalomonPropulse.jpg

    what a crazy idea! :)

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. OldManWinter
    Member

    Fsnow – Sorry to hear about your experience. I never bought into the mechanical binding concept, but I have to think they worked in a lab at some point. What I continue to hear is that these things are unreliable in
    fresh/blown snow…Perhaps they can have a second life on rollerskis? It seems that as long as you keep them dry you should be ok(?) Also, if you’re just training on them, they won’t strand you on race day. If
    rollerskiing isn’t for you, then maybe that angle might make them easier to sell used if/when you decide to replace them...

    Db – Great sleuthing. NBC coverage did include a camera in the pit stop of the 50K, and I did note a number of non-mechanical bindings but I couldn’t put a finger on the product, which you just did. Thanks for sharing.

    After watching the pit stop action, I couldn’t help but wonder if the racers could have used a step-in binding, ala Salomon’s Automatic, but less bulky for racing purposes. Is there any merit to a device such as that? I’m wondering if anyone with significant pursuit experience or those with a mechanical engineering background has an opinion.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. firesnow
    Member

    Great looking new bindings from Salomon and thanks for the pics. Maybe Salomon will give us all credit for new bindings. I've been skiing Salomon for 12 years and have 4 pairs of the pilot classics mounted up. It's nice to see they admit a problem with the bindings- they went back to the old bumper system- the one that works.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. manthey
    Member

    So has a bar connection like the one used for pilot skating?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. davidb
    Member

    Regarding skier 1s comments about boots and Compartment Syndrome: I really wonder too.
    And one other observation: those narrow toe boxes will, sooner or later, result in nerve damage for most of us, and it can really hurt.
    These binding issues are really getting to be annoying.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. NuttySki
    Member

    I am behind the times usually but am I ever glad I still use Profile for classic skiing. Just did not want to spend all that money to change over to pilot.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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